Liz Mosley never planned on working for herself, but 18 years, a stationery side hustle, and two kids later, she's built an independent branding studio and a podcast that has become one of her most valuable business assets.

In this episode, Ian Paget sits down with Liz to explore the moment she stopped treating her business like a hobby, why podcasting became her biggest confidence boost, and how showing up consistently, mistakes and all, builds trust in a way AI never will.

They also dive into Liz's "100 Rejections" challenge, a personal game she created to stop fearing the word "no." It led to partnerships with Adobe and Flodesk, as well as a joint talk at Adobe Max with a former guest of the Logo Geek Podcast.

If you've ever felt stuck between working in your business and working on it, this episode is for you.

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