Bill and Jeffery dig into where creative legitimacy actually comes from now that gatekeepers like ASMP and Magnum have lost their grip, and talk about why they stopped chasing metrics and just make the show for its own sake. They also swap stories about a QR-code standoff at the Air and Space Museum and their shared guilt over unfinished projects and letting themselves have fun, before closing with Photographer of the Week Hiromix, whose 1990s film self-portraits look decades ahead of Instagram.

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