Filmmaker Cameron Crowe, the writer-director behind Almost Famous, Jerry Maguire, and Say Anything joins Chris O'Dell for one of the most joyful conversations of the year. Two people who spent their lives inside the music trade stories only they could tell.

Cameron shares the surprising origin of "You had me at hello" (and the tribute to his late father hidden inside it), how he got Renée Zellweger to nail the line at 3 a.m., the Phil Spector biopic he walked away from and the "glimpse of the blade" he saw from Allen Klein when he did. Chris counters with the time Phil Spector pulled a gun on her at dinner, the Todd Rundgren song she weaponized on Ringo's ex, and Paul McCartney gently correcting her over a photo.

Along the way: Joni Mitchell and the film Cameron's making about her, David Crosby, Leon Russell, George Harrison, Tom Petty, and Cameron's mother's belief that "joy is the most infallible sign of humanity." A warm, story-packed hour between two people who love this world and everyone in it.

More from Chris O'Dell including the podcast, her book Miss O'Dell, and how to subscribe — at https://missodell.com

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