What Can Kids Teach Us About Love with Julian Shapiro Barnum

This week, Liz sits down with Recess Therapy creator and host Julian Shapiro-Barnum — a self-proclaimed "boy problem" — to hash out the messy, unspoken rules of flirting, trust, and why so many of us struggle to date without baggage. They get into why Liz doesn't trust men (and why that's not crazy), what kids can teach us about love, and Julian's new book How to Grow Up Without Becoming a Grown-Up!

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Liz Plank is an award-winning journalist, filmmaker, international bestselling author, and producer of several critically acclaimed digital series at Vox Media and NBC News. She currently hosts⁠⁠⁠⁠ Boy Problems⁠⁠⁠⁠, a podcast that tackles love, masculinity, dating disasters, and life’s biggest questions.