Eli Goldfine is an unusually thoughtful 14-year-old podcast host who’s rapidly becoming an authoritative voice in the prediction market space.
In this unique episode, Eli brings a critical yet open-minded approach to the topic of AI doom that we older folks could learn from.We cover what it's like to grow up in the AGI era, and Eli's hobbies which include reading rationalist bloggers, betting on prediction markets, vibe coding with Claude, and developing a software startup for astronomers.In our debate, Eli expects superintelligence by 2032, but argues P(Doom) can't be estimated. I claim you can't opt out of Bayesian epistemology. All aboard the Doom Train! 🚂
Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqk5vqpzG_o
Timestamps
00:00:00 — Cold Open
00:01:07 — Introducing Eli Goldfine
00:08:31 — Interviewing Robin Hanson at Manifest
00:10:55 — The Supercycle Podcast
00:14:37 — Eli's Betting Market Scandal
00:16:49 — Will Eli Graduate High School?
00:18:27 — Decentralized Telescope Software
00:26:50 — Vibe Coding Without CompSci Basics
00:32:08 — Robin Hanson, Futarchy, MetaDAO
00:40:56 — What's Your P(Doom)?™
00:46:32 — Liron Defends His 50% P(Doom)
00:51:00 — Should P(Doom) Inform Policy?
00:59:16 — What's Your P(Bloom)?
01:03:04 — Pascal's Wager for Accelerationists
01:04:04 — Donation Drive
01:11:22 — Are E/ACCs Incredibly Dumb?
01:13:42 — How Powerful will ASI Become?
01:16:20 — Predicting ASI by 2032
01:23:56 — Let's Ride the Doom Train™
01:35:26 — Orthogonality, Culture, and Moral Realism
01:44:39 — Can Safety Keep Pace with Capabilities?
01:49:12 — Debating Instrumental Convergence
01:54:40 — Culture, Laws, and the Singleton Scenario
01:59:53 — Ricardo's Law Won't Save Us
02:03:32 — The Case for Racing China
02:05:40 — Wrap-Up & Ideological Turing Test
02:10:36 — Outro from Conductor Ori
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